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One could share the shower with two other people and apply their 5 minute allotment to the total.

During pandemic they put a sign up on the showers at work. "In order to maintain employee well being, this shower has a maximum occupancy of _1_." This kind of ruins the team building plans.

No, we're no longer allowed to do that because of what happened. Also, the shower sign is a real thing...

Places are going to get scrubbed that I've never actually seen.

Group showers are a good option. Person A can soap up while person B rinses.

A low-flow showerhead can cut energy consumption in half.

Take showers late at night or very early in the morning, when power is more likely to be coming from wind or nukes.

Finally, keep some perspective. A typical home in the EU uses about 1000 kwh/month. A ten-minute shower uses one kwh. Even if you take a shower every day, that is only 3% of your power consumption. Turning down the thermostat will make a way bigger difference.

Let's do the math. Shower = 10L/min or 100L or 100,000g of water. Heat capacity of water ~= 4J/g*ÂC, and water typically needs to be heated from 10ÂC (ground temp is fairly constant) to 40ÂC, so a change of 30ÂC.

12,000kW-s / 3600s/hr ~= 3kW-h. 3*30 = 90kWh, or closer to 10%.

Nuts to group anything. And there will always be at least one person that fucks it up for everyone else.

Easier still is to shower Navy style: turn on once to shampoo your head, turn off and soap your body, turn on briefly to rinse off.

If I remember what Ms. Thompson taught me in kindergarten correctly, 5+5 = 10, not 15. Granted, there's a .009998% chance she misled me.

Never mind, you said two other people .. ugh. Oh well, sue me.

We had a fresh-water crisis on an aircraft carrier and were ordered to "take a Navy shower" which was just enough water to quickly get wet all over and then cut the water, soap down, and rinse off quickly.

There was a guard posted outside the head and some of us would sing out, "It's my pee pee and I can wash it as faaaaast as I want to!!"

I'm GLAD that spoiled humans are realizing that their resources are, in fact, not infinite.

I'm GLAD that spoiled humans are realizing that their resources are, in fact, not infinite.

We're not there yet. Her timer broke under mysterious circumstances...

If it weren't for Trump, Hillary would have gotten elected, appointed far-Leftists to the Supreme Court, signed USA up for a few more Globalist treaties, and we'd be farther along than most European nations down the commie slide. Trump probably set back the progress of the Globalist scum at least a good 10 years or so. For that we owe him a huge thanks. Even if he butthurted some people by the mean things he said on the Tweeter.

If it weren't for Trump....

If it weren't for Trump....

... there still might be some dignity in the Office of The President of the United States. OP is spot on. Trump is a dullard and us "globalists" (as if to suggest that any outsiders must be against you) are still laughing.

I hope America can re-find its intelligence self-respect.

Your grasp on reality seems limited. Hillary is as much of a Leftist as Obama is, possibly even less so, and neither of those two are all that Left wing.

It's definitely a concerning sign of the times when our far right has gotten so far out there that they cant even conceptualize "moderates" anymore.

Yeah, you have fewer civil liberties, and roe v wade was overturned, leading to 12 year old rape victims being expected to carry a child to term-- but that's progress for you. Not to mention the egomaniac who would rather start a civil war than admit that he lost an election.

And the fact you think this makes him a great president says a great deal about how far this country has fallen.

Adopting socialism will bring you back to the dark ages. Europe has been in decline for decades and the acceleration is increasing. Some Americans want to America to follow the same path downwards.

Adopting socialism will bring you back to the dark ages. Europe has been in decline for decades and the acceleration is increasing. Some Americans want to America to follow the same path downwards.

It's not socialism that does this, but the Green mentality applied to any problem. Socialism may mean authoritarianism, but I bet the Chinese can shower as long as they want to.

How do you know the poster is not Scottish?

(Queen Elizabeth was Queen Elizabeth I in Scotland.)

France doesn't need to worry about this whole problem because they still have energy.

My wife and I use a valve on the shower head so that we can rinse, then turn the water off to soap up. It's silly to run the water while you're soaping, it just rinses the soap away. So we can take a thorough shower, take our time scrubbing, and still save water and energy.

My shower has a pressure balanced valve [thespruce.com] that returns to the same temperature whenever you turn it on. Requiring these in new builds would help conserve water.

Another strategy is to make the shower area smaller and closed at the top so you don't get cold when you turn off the shower.

What you need is a THERMOSTATIC valve that accounts for actual hot water input temperature, not just pressure, Ideally with a separate handle for flow, so that turning it off doesn't tweak the temperature setting.

They're common in Europe and Asia, not so common in North America:

https://www.aliexpress.com/ite... [aliexpress.com]

Just turn the water on and feel it with your hand until it's the desired temperature...

So... basically your shower has a faucet? Are there showers that don't?

Old fashioned two knob hot + cold make it hard to do. One-knob-does-everything showers that the US seems to like also make this fiddly because you go through cold to get to hot and it's often fiddly to reset the temperature. Hotels in the US seem particularly bad at having clunky showers that make it hard to turn off and on mid-shower.

The one handle threw me off at first but now I can't even imagine going back to seperate hot/cold valves for the shower head.

The one handle works pretty good because once you figure out where to turn the handle to, it's that same spot every single time. No mystery about it unless you are of course out of hot water.

Two knobs works also but as Malays2 said, I couldn't imagine going away from the single handle now.

Someone above mentioned electric. Electric what? I assume a faucet but just sounds like added complexity to be fancy dancy. I'll admit having that at the sink for washing hands is actually pretty awesome but completely not

That actually does sound pretty cool. Never seen anything like that, but as you said, Not going to in USA.

but there have been times that I've sat in the shower with a drink in my hand for 15-30 minutes easily.

but there have been times that I've sat in the shower with a drink in my hand for 15-30 minutes easily.

Doesn't this water down your drink too much?

One of the benefits of a long shower is being by myself and having time to think while the hot water relaxes my muscles.

Of course follow the leader, everyone baaa in unison. I guess Europe is very used to this kind of thing.

Don't worry, people will still have their swimming pools in their backyards, but you better sacrifice your nice peaceful warm shower. Fuck that.

And since I'm Californian, cut back on the amount of cow milk (hence amount of cows) and cut back on high water usage crops. That's really how you fix a water problem.

Obviously in Europe they are trying to save on natural gas for heating and aren't really concerned with the water really. It's nice to conserve but maybe they have access to ample fresh water. I've no

However I think what lots of men might realize is how much time women with longer hair might need to properly condition hair.

I'm a man who had quite long hair back in the day, and in my experience any "need to properly condition hair" should not need to be time consuming. My wife can easily spend 30 minutes bathing, but that's soaking in a hot bath, not showering, so it doesn't take up that much more hot water than my 5 minute shower.

If you need more time you can always go with a Navy shower: Get wet, then turn off shower while you lather up. Turn it on again to rinse. Repeat for conditioner, etc. as needed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

You can get a whole multi-stage shower done with less than two minutes of shower flow fairly easy. Not as pleasant as a normal shower (and heat lamps are strongly recommended in the winter), but a huge advantage when trying to conserve water (or the fuel used to heat it). Typically they consume

If you want to soak longer than 10 min, just take a bath -- a small tub holds about 100 liters, which is equivalent to a 10 min shower. Anything longer, and it becomes more energy/water efficient to bathe.

I wonder if having a heat exchanger in the drain that would pass some of the heat being wasted to the fresh water entering the shower might be a good option.

Thermostatic shower valves are common if not mandatory in much of Europe and Asia. North America only mandates pressure-balancing valves that prevent scalding, but do a shitty job at regulating temperature. As US/CA infrastructure is 30-40 years behind the times compared to other developed places:

https://www.aliexpress.com/ite... [aliexpress.com]

I feel really bad for all of Europe, it's awful that they have to ration this way and have to try and remove or lower some basic perks of having things like a hot shower on demand.

I feel really bad for all of Europe, it's awful that they have to ration this way and have to try and remove or lower some basic perks of having things like a hot shower on demand.

Ahh, don't feel bad for them. They were the ones hooked on despot gas which they seem to prefer over nuclear that could of actually got them through this mess. It really is a shame we are a global economy, as their shortsightedness will go on to hurt the entire world. The poorest countries the most.

Yeah, we should TOTALLY be like Europe. They have it all figured out. Clearly.

Carla Generaal used to spend 15 minutes in the shower, slowly raising the temperature as the minutes passed. Her boyfriend, who takes one-and-a-half-minute cold showers, couldn't fathom how she could be so wasteful.

Carla Generaal used to spend 15 minutes in the shower, slowly raising the temperature as the minutes passed. Her boyfriend, who takes one-and-a-half-minute cold showers, couldn't fathom how she could be so wasteful.

Maybe if he stops complaining and lets her warm up he won't have to take those cold showers ... :-)

He bought her a five-minute sand-filled timer.

He bought her a five-minute sand-filled timer.

Husband Tip: Timing your girlfriend/wife on things never ends well for you.

The article did say that her timer was broken and that there is some dispute as to how it happened. Winning this argument won't go well for him.

The article did say that her timer was broken and that there is some dispute as to how it happened. Winning this argument won't go well for him.

I'm predicting more cold showers in his future. :-)

Stay out of my shower.

It's not fun to say, but the only real mechanism that's going to get people to change their behaviors (and consumption) is to allow the price to float freely. If you make the price of energy based on actual supply+demand, it will certainly spike and folks will adjust their consumption accordingly.

The new UK PM is already talking about price controls. Setting a maximum prices means insulating folks from the full price, and they won't cut consumption as much. Voluntary rationing (as we've seen in California with the drought and people watering their lawns) also won't achieve the end result.

This is not to say that we can't help people with lower incomes: When the prices get high, you can give vouchers for the first X amount of energy. You could also change the formula for cost so that folks who use the top 10% of energy pay astoundingly higher rates than the bottom 10%.

But overall, the only efficient mechanism of allocating a scarce resource is price, and politicians are deluding themselves if they think otherwise.

And the dictator unsuprisingly turns out to be a real shitbag and the people get angry again and overthrow him. Thus begins a new cycle.

No: first it will bankrupt people, then it will change behaviours.

Contrary to hot tea in a bistro, hot water, aka energy, isn't paid for the moment it is consumed. Instead usually one has monthly payments, and once a year the difference between real consumption price and the amount paid in the monthly payments is settled. At least that is how it worked everywhere I lived so far.

I don't even pretend to have the beginning of an idea on how to solve this. What I do know is that when an inelastic and non-substit

Several EU countries have price controls in force for all or for low-income families. These price controls are the last remaining part of what used to be the State monopoly on energy market (which was the situation in Europe for decades after WW2). The EC mandated final end to State controls and it was scheduled for the years to come, 2023-2025. We might see some EU countries negotiating a delay given the situation. From my place the regulated prices for natural gas are close to 8 cEUR/kWh, while commercial

Water is usually a public good, precisely because the required infrastructure lends itself to a strong natural monopoly.

If you allow a monopoly to set the price it will rise until the total profit ($ per unit*number of units sold) is maximized.

Markets are also only good at efficiency, and tend to result in severe injustice - e.g. the rich waste as much as they want because even at 100x the price it's still pocket change for them, while everyone else goes without. Or make do with whatever "base ration" they'

Voluntary rationing (as we've seen in California with the drought and people watering their lawns) also won't achieve the end result.

Voluntary rationing (as we've seen in California with the drought and people watering their lawns) also won't achieve the end result.

Most municipalities in SoCal are saying it's been effective. But really, residential landscape watering is such a tiny fraction of total water use - around 3 or 5 percent of the total - that conserving water by restricting that is like saving for retirement by quitting chewing gum. Agricultural and "environmental" uses account for 90% of California water use. "Environmental" is about 50% -- that's basically diverting water into rivers and ultimately into the oceans, to preserve wetlands and protect endanger

just wait until you got to hold off on flushing the toilet until every third piss in your household.

Here's a phrase coined during a major California drought, back in the 1970s: If it's yellow, let it mellow; if it's brown, flush it down.

- create an energy crisis by shutting down nuclear reactors - also cut off Russian intake of fuel - "Guys, it's your fault for spending too much time in the shower" Yeah i wouldn't be keen on that either, in fact I'd demand whoever caused this crisis to be put on trial

- create an energy crisis by shutting down nuclear reactors

- also cut off Russian intake of fuel

- "Guys, it's your fault for spending too much time in the shower"

Yeah i wouldn't be keen on that either, in fact I'd demand whoever caused this crisis to be put on trial

Put Putin on trial? I don't think you'd find much disagreement there.

He's the one who caused the original crisis by invading Ukraine.

He's also the one who shut off the gas in an attempt to pressure Europe into removing sanctions and stopping arms shipments.

At the rate the invasion is going in 6 months a trial will probably be the best case scenario for him.

Don't forget the Netherlands has an enormous amount of gas in the ground, but no longer pumps it up because it was causing earthquakes in populated areas.

It wasn't that long ago that Europeans were asked to sacrifice and ration that much more under albeit far more dire circumstances, but still, war is war and with citizens of the EU are supporting all the efforts in Ukraine anywhere from 70-95% [euneighbourseast.eu] some small sacrifices to move away from gas dependance on Russia is not unreasonable imo, espeically not for a winter or two.

When we are talking about hundreds of millions of households small changes make a big difference, a couple minute shorter shower, a few degrees colder thermostate. Since this is being asked and not ordered I think this is far to put out and I think it will work. California's text message campaign actually worked really well [bloomberg.com] and a bunch of storage and other measures helped them avoid major outages or fires through a tough few hours.

Now these EU governments and industries have to not squader the window and continue to aggressively pursue alternatives to make up the gap from Russian gas and other sources. If they do though the entire continent comes out better on the other side.

We have indeed seen Europeans face far greater difficulties and sacrifices before but when that happened they saw a government acting with all they had to bring this situation to a close as quickly as possible. What are the governments of Europe doing so people can get back to a life where every action they make doesn't remind them of how this might make their neighbors suffer for lack of food and fuel?

If Europe was taking this energy crisis seriously then they'd cut the bullshit about not building new nuc

war is war and with citizens of the EU are supporting all the efforts in Ukraine anywhere from 70-95%

war is war and with citizens of the EU are supporting all the efforts in Ukraine anywhere from 70-95%

No. Nobody really care about Ukraine. People are angry because energy is more expensive not because people are dying in a country they can't locate on a map. And Europe is just in the middle of USA vs Russia and soon vs China.

continue to aggressively pursue alternatives to make up the gap from Russian gas

continue to aggressively pursue alternatives to make up the gap from Russian gas

Yes, buying Russian gas from China is the current solution...

I love long showers (10-15min) and most days I have at least 2. Sometimes 3, if I go for an extra run. Sue me.

I'm a big greasy, hairy beast, and if I don't have a long and hot shower then I smell like one, too. The title says "Not All Are Keen on That." Yeah, like anyone downwind of me if I don't get an extensive shower.

There's going to be morons that will try to explain how building nuclear power plants won't help with a natural gas shortage. Or rather not explain anything, instead it will be an expression of frustration on how people can't understand such a thing.

In Europe they've been on this process of removing coal and nuclear power in an attempt to replace that with wind and solar. This is because coal is polluting and nuclear power is bad for some reason that is left unexplained and merely assumed true. This left

A good part of the current gas shortage is a direct result of nuclear power plants.

A good part of the current gas shortage is a direct result of nuclear power plants.

A failure to maintain their current nuclear power plants is no reason to blame this problem on nuclear power. This is a failure to plan, and so they planned to fail. Maybe they should have been building new nuclear power plants instead of trying to keep 50 year old plants running until they are 80 years old. If the nuclear power plants are heating the rivers too much then maybe they should be building cooling towers. We'd have the same problem with solar power if we dumped water for cooling int

Not that we should let this happen, but if all the Europeans freeze to death, that should probably fix our global warming co2 issues. Not really fair on the commoners though. Should let their parliaments freeze.

Chuckles, I bet you the government offices won't be cold this winter but hey, turn your thermostat down. Just wear 3 layers. All good.

Two items that are essential to most Indian households are a bucket and a pitcher. They are to Indians what showers are to Americans, an integral part of the daily ritual of bathing. In a country where you can't count on running water, the vast majority of people bathe using a bucket of water and a plastic pitcher to pour the water over your head and body.

Like every other Indian I know, I grew up with bucket bathing. But by the time I was 10, indoor showers had started t

Move to where the water is. It was foolish to move to where the water isn't and then ship it or pipe it in. Silly humans.

I can recall stories of people all over the world discovering ancient settlements that lived considerable distance from the water they relied upon for food and drinking. In time those of us that forgot our history were forced to repeat it. There would be a flood, hurricane, tsunami, or some other rare but quite devastating event that would destroy everything up to where the old settlement was discovered.

It is quite possible that there were more settlements that were not discovered because some natural eve

Hardly out of water. If we managed our water better, there wouldn't even be a crisis. Instead, we let farmers with 100 year old water rights use whatever they want on whichever cash crops turn the most profit. From dairy farming to almonds to rice, all need to be given a 20% haircut until our drought has passed.

Instead, we are opening water parks in the southwest instead. Checkout this wave park. https://www.theinertia.com/sur... [theinertia.com]

So please, stop fucking telling me to take shorter showers or not flush on #1 o

What makes you think there was no warning?

It's sort of like the US and the Middle East with oil. Kuwait says jump, the US asks how many trillions of dollars worth of military aid we should spend helping them secure their dictatorship.

And yet, try to convince people we should get away from oil and you'll hear a litany excuses about to why it's better to suck dictator dick to maintain the status quo.

Similar issue with China, though there it's cheap manufacturing that we're after rather than petrochemicals.

Heavy trade with any opposition nation is a good way to avoid war precisely because if open conflict arises both sides get screwed.

Heavy trade with any opposition nation is a good way to avoid war precisely because if open conflict arises both sides get screwed.

The 1990's called, they want their theory back. Putin kinda blew a hole in that theory so we don't really use it so much anymore. Also, the US imports very little from Kuwait these days. Maybe you should update your trolling. Also, have you been in a coma? Trade with China is very low right now. First Trump's trade war and then the latest round of lockdowns have killed most of it. So no part of your post is in line with reality at present. Again, you are living in the past. You are still using talk

The same way the US became dependent on Saudi Arabia. New technology allowed, and a couple wars convinced, the US to fix the problem. Europe didn't really have that option until relatively recently, and arguably doesn't have it now.

Because their political and industrial leaders sold them out?

That cheap gas sure isn't so cheap now, is it? The real bill came at the end.

We should of kept marching to Moscow but it was to late in the year. Plus, you know, they killed Patton over holding this very position but it would of been the best way forward.

Fee fees still hurt because 1/6/2021 didn't go they way you hoped it would?

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